
Start of #Civ3dem buffer: Fri Jun 28 00:28:10 2002
* Now talking in #Civ3dem
* Topic is 'Apolyton's Civ3 Democratic Game - Next Turnchat Thursday 2100 GMT'
* Set by Trip- on Tue Jun 25 23:50:31
<Spiffor> hi again
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<Spiffor> Did I miss anything ?
* OPD2 is now known as OPD
<Trip-> okay
<Trip-> everyone is badk
<TheThing-> u are the despot trip
<Trip-> back^
<Trip-> good
<civman2000> What's going on???
<UberKruX> i'm sure it will pass.
<UberKruX> ok lets go.
<Spiffor> civman and myself were stranded in the same netherworld
<Trip-> we haven't even started preparing
<Ninot> yeah.. but we are his alternative multiple personalities that make up his mine
<Ninot> mind
<Trip-> It's overy Spiffy
<Trip-> sorry
<Trip-> -e
<TheThing-> i say kill them in their sleep
<Trip-> LoL @ overy
<Gepap> so we will declare war on france?
<UberKruX> lets roll
<UberKruX> tell mw when its time to move the units. :D
<Spiffor> Gepap : not yet, we aren't ready
<UberKruX> me*
<Trip-> are we moving up the mountain chain?
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<UberKruX> Trip, am i moving now?
<TheThing-> yeah for better view
<Trip-> no, not yet
<Gepap> which warrior moving, north or south one?
<Spiffor> I thought we didn't do anything... Did we end the turn ?
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<Spiffor> Hi punkbass !
<UberKruX> k. tell me when. i'll prepare my moves.
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<punkbass2000> Hello
<Ninot> hiya punk
<Spiffor> Hi Sheik
<punkbass2000> IT works now :)
<Sheik> Hey
<Trip-> hold on hold on
<Gepap> Well...
<Trip-> Civ is still loading
<Ninot> agga!
<UberKruX> jesus trip
<Spiffor> Punkbass : I'm happy to see you here !
* Trip- laughs
<Trip-> I'm out of memory
<Trip-> I have to restart
<Trip-> Civ won't load
<Ninot> lol
* UberKruX gah.
<Spiffor> :cough: coup :cough:
<Sheik> oh well
<Gepap> Waht about on Uber computer?
<Trip-> he's not president :P
<Trip-> brb
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<Ninot> and we have no VP around...
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<Trip-> no VP at all even
<Trip-> :P
<Ninot> true
<Trip-> wb CVIAMAN
<civman2000> i'm back
<Trip-> brb
<Spiffor> How are the elections doing btw ?
<Guest43173> hey why is calling me guest
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<civman2000> apparently having civ up messes up my connection :(
<Spiffor> Sheik : do you use DALnet java chat ?
<Gepap> how many more tunchas for the current gov?
<Ninot> uhhh.. DIA is still leading both, right?
<Guest43173> no
<Guest43173> I downloaded the thing
<UberKruX> because the name Shiek is registerred
<UberKruX> type /nick Shiek-
<Ninot> uhh, we go by IRL months, dont we?
<Spiffor> Sheik : maybe you use a reserved name. You qhould try writing /nick -Sheik- or something
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<UberKruX> that might work.
<Sheik-> it did
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<Tassadar5> lol I'm in charge of science now :D
<MrWhererItsAt> Just for the record, I hate this time. :D
* Tassadar5 is now known as civman2000
<UberKruX> lol
<civman2000> this is fun..
<Spiffor> civman : are you THAT frustrated no to be the minister of science ? ;)
<civman2000> are we actually going to start playing?
<Spiffor> civman : we're waiting for Trip to reboot
<punkbass2000> waiting for Trip to restart
<UberKruX> when trip gets bacl.
<civman2000> oh
<MrWhererItsAt> No Trip again?!  Deja vu, anyone?
<UberKruX> lol
<UberKruX> he was here
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<UberKruX> ran out of RA<
<UberKruX> M
<MrWhererItsAt> NOOO!
<MrWhererItsAt> Skywalker!
<UberKruX> had to reboot.
<Ninot> Skywalker? Skywalker???
<Ninot> intreguing
<MrWhererItsAt> civman, are you trying to drive me insane?
<skywalker2588> look who i am now
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<Ninot> kik]
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<Ninot> lol
<MrWhererItsAt> Hey, THIS could be fun...
<Ninot> sk
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<Gepap> So, Uber, time for the coup?
<Trip-> well
<Trip-> it's filled up
<Ninot> alllright! lets get this party started!
<civman2000> wb trip
<MrWhererItsAt> Ah, good joke that, about the coup ;)
* civman2000 is now known as Trip
<Trip-> ty CVIAMAN
<Trip> lol
* ChanServ sets mode: +o Trip-
* Trip- rolls his eyes
* Spiffor thiks he should never have said the command to change names
<Trip-> okay
* Trip is now known as civman2000
<MrWhererItsAt> Why don't we just ALL call ourselves Trip and watch the confusion whenevr anyone else 
  turns up :D
<civman2000> ok i'll stop
<Trip-> 4Ending turn 2900 BC now
<civman2000> lol
<Spiffor> Trip : noted
<Ninot> affirmed
<civman2000> finally!
<Spiffor> Where's Eli ?
<MrWhererItsAt> Israel?
<Ninot> Eli is asleep?
<Spiffor> Hrm, yes, but Where on the Internet is he ?
<Trip-> LoL
* civman2000 is now known as Eli
<Eli> I'm here
<Ninot> lol
<MrWhererItsAt> Israel?!
<MrWhererItsAt> Whoops.
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<Spiffor> Hi Vlad
<VladHighwind> hello
<MrWhererItsAt> Hi Vlad
<VladHighwind> How's the game going?
<Ninot> Hello Vlad
<Trip-> hey Vlad
<Trip-> okay
<Ninot> its not goin far yet
<VladHighwind> Sorry I'm late.
<Spiffor> Vlad : we just begun
<Trip-> UK, moves?
<MrWhererItsAt> Almost started
<punkbass2000> Is the game going?
<Trip-> We've lost
<Trip-> France nuked us
<Ninot> yup..
<Gepap> Who's Eli' undersec.?
<punkbass2000> Criminy
<Spiffor> Vlad : we've only ended the 2900 turn
<VladHighwind> Ah. :)
<Ninot> the jungle was a bunch of aztechs fortified, and they just got up and trampled us
<Spiffor> Gepap : Eli is the minister of public works
<civman2000> GEpap: The Banana
<Gepap> I mean, who dcides while he's not here
<civman2000> lol
<OPD> his deputy
<Gepap> Who Is?
<Spiffor> The VP ;)
<VladHighwind> I don't think that election was contested...
<civman2000> The Banana is his deputy
<MrWhererItsAt> I guess we do then
<Ninot> i suppose more of us should choose deputies
<VladHighwind> And Linney isn't here...
<UberKruX> the west warrior (near france) moves WEST.
<UberKruX> the warrior near New York moves WEST.
<Trip-> since Comrade Eli is missing, I take over with your guys' input :P
<UberKruX> the warrior on the mountain moves NORTHEAST.
<UberKruX> make it so.
<Trip-> okay
<VladHighwind> I understand.
<Trip-> affirmative
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<TheThing-> you will be assimilated
<VladHighwind> Starting up now.
<Spiffor> I say we should road / mine another tile in the radius of red city (namely, the tile SW of the 
  worker)
<Trip-> 4Warrior 1 moves W, Warrior 4 moves NE
<Trip-> what about Warrior 2 UK?
<Ninot> they are numberd now?
<Gepap> Wasnt 2 west?
<Trip-> oh nevermind
<Trip-> someone split up your commands
<UberKruX> you 
<UberKruX> lol
<Trip-> wow, that's a lot of dye
<Spiffor> Gepap : no, Warrior2 didn't move yet
<Spiffor> Gepap : oops, forget what I said :)
<Gepap> how much dye?
<Trip-> 4Warrior 2 moves W
<Spiffor> We need NY !
<Trip-> 3 dyes total
<VladHighwind> What does the worker do?
<Gepap> Mama mia!
<VladHighwind> Where does the worker go?
<Ninot> i see more dye
<UberKruX> yes, what does the worker do
<Trip-> clearing more jungle
<MrWhererItsAt> Crud! Can't play due to stupid brother's non-upgraded Civ3 versioN!
<Spiffor> I say we should road / mine another tile in the radius of red city (namely, the tile SW of the 
  worker)
<Sheik-> How big do you guys think the jungle is?
<VladHighwind> I've moved mine. :)
<Trip-> massive
<Trip-> beyond massive
<Trip-> and more :P
<VladHighwind> Large as a really really large thing.
<Spiffor> I also say we should make people work on the newly mined tile near Apolyton rather than the 
  whales
<Trip-> Where is the next city going?
<UberKruX> Trip: tell me where to move my worker!
<civman2000> Look at Casr Pink
<VladHighwind> I moved mine SW...
<Trip-> I'll use the worker to start clearing a jungle space next to the next city
<VladHighwind> I don't have it on hand. :)
<UberKruX> 4 spots NE, 1 spot SE
<UberKruX> wee, W
<UberKruX> err W, not E
<Trip-> wee?
<Spiffor> Trip : according to case Pink, it will go NW-NW-NW-NW of Apolyton
<UberKruX> shaddup
<UberKruX> lol
<Trip-> okay, thanks Spiffy
<civman2000> lol
<Trip-> LoL @ wee
<VladHighwind> Where does the worker go?
<OPD> does anyone mind if I play along aswell?
<Trip-> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
<Trip-> I say he moves N
<Trip-> and starts clearing
<VladHighwind> So NW?
<VladHighwind> Oh, wait.
<UberKruX> yes SW.
<Trip-> OPD: that's fine, as long as you don't make ANY moves until I announce them in red
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<MrWhererItsAt> Which worker?
<OPD> only moves in red got it
<UberKruX> NW-NW-NW-NW-SW
<Trip-> the only worker :P
<civman2000> Vlad dont make moves until trip has made them
<Trip-> the one that's not clearing jungle
<VladHighwind> So north?
<MrWhererItsAt> Cheer
<VladHighwind> North?
<Trip-> I still say we should clear the jungle N
<VladHighwind> Sorry.
<Gepap> Sounds fine
<Spiffor> I say he sshould rodmine NW
<Sheik-> We should clear all the jungle we can
<VladHighwind> Jumped the gun. ;)
<VladHighwind> Reloaded the autosave.
<UberKruX> Trip why N?
<Spiffor> We should make red city efficient as soon as possible
<Trip-> 3 for N 1 Against
<Ninot> i say north too
<VladHighwind> Redid the warrior moves...
<VladHighwind> I say north.
<MrWhererItsAt> N is good
<Sheik-> North is good
<Gepap> Spiffor, is Banana red city?
<VladHighwind> North it is. :)
<Trip-> 5 for
<UberKruX> Red city cant work that tile
<VladHighwind> Waiting to move.
<MrWhererItsAt> Red city ain't there yet
<Gepap> Oh, OK
<Spiffor> Gepap : no it'sthe next planned city, NW-NW-NW-NW-SW of Poly
<MrWhererItsAt> Will be 4x NW of Apoly
<MrWhererItsAt> and SW :D
<VladHighwind> NW-NW-NW-W
<Ninot> AFK FOR 5 MINUTES! (checked out tech trade possibilities, still nothing worthwhile)
<UberKruX> yes, and the tile N is worthless right now.
<Trip-> SW also?
<Trip-> or NW x4?
<UberKruX> SW also.
<Spiffor> STOP, DON'T GO NORTH
<MrWhererItsAt> Don't listen to me :D
<Trip-> are you sure?
<Spiffor> It won't be in Red City radius !
<UberKruX> yes.
<Trip-> okay
<VladHighwind> Yes, it will, either way.
<Trip-> Spiffy said it was NW 4x
<VladHighwind> Well, not the initial city radius.
<Trip-> not the SW also
<Trip-> NW NW then
<UberKruX> Spiffy was WRONG :)
<Spiffor> Trip : that's right. NW is the way to go
<civman2000> lol
<Spiffor> I was wrong, I forgot the last SW
<UberKruX> go NW for now
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<UberKruX> we'll decide if we want to road or move again next turn
<Spiffor> I stil think we should roadmine NW
<Trevman> hey everybody
<MrWhererItsAt> According to UK's SMC report, city is 4x NW and 1 SW from Poly
<Spiffor> Hi Trevman
<Sheik-> hi
<JSeeds> hey
<OPD> hey
<VladHighwind> hey Trev
<MrWhererItsAt> Hey trev
<Trip-> okay
<Trip-> 4Worker 2 moves NW
<MrWhererItsAt> Good
<UberKruX> alright. thats the end of the turn.
<VladHighwind> Confirmed.  Worker moves NW.
<Spiffor> Was he worker 2 ? I thought he was called worker1
<UberKruX> tell me when to end buddy :)
<VladHighwind> Worker 1, IIRC, is the one near BHQ...
<Trip-> 4Science at 10%
<MrWhererItsAt> As long as you know which one
<VladHighwind> Right.
<Trip-> Vlad's right
<Trip-> 1 is clearing jungle to the north
<Gepap> Should be charlie
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<MrWhererItsAt> LOL
<Trip-> 4Iron Working in 39 turns
<VladHighwind> Right.
<Trip-> 4Ending turn now
<VladHighwind> Done.
<civman2000> so long :(
<MrWhererItsAt> So we decided on no science?
<civman2000> 10%
<Trip-> 10% science
<VladHighwind> Right, moves?
<Spiffor> French founded Orleans
<VladHighwind> Uber?
<civman2000> no more is really worth it
<MrWhererItsAt> Almost no science then?
<VladHighwind> Nutbunnies.
<Guest12232> how much gold are we making per turn?
<UberKruX> sup
<MrWhererItsAt> OK
<VladHighwind> 3/turn.
<Spiffor> Exactly where Uber anticipated
<Trip-> 4 3 GPT
<VladHighwind> Interesting.
<UberKruX> it was the only logical spot.
<Trip-> yep
<Trip-> the computer is predictable though :P
<UberKruX> lol
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<VladHighwind> That's the AI for ya.
<Trip-> okay
<MrWhererItsAt> WTF is a NUTBUNNY?
<civman2000> How much gold do we have?
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<Trip-> UK, moves?
<VladHighwind> Artificial Idiot.
<VladHighwind> No bloody idea. :)
<VladHighwind> Uber?
<trevman74> is that all
<UberKruX> warrior near france moves WEST again
<Trip-> 4 19 Gold
<VladHighwind> Uber, you sure?
<UberKruX> yes, why not?
<UberKruX> im seeing what land lies west of paris
<VladHighwind> Right, what other moves?
<Trip-> 4Warrior 1 moves W
<UberKruX> Warrior near NY moves NW
<VladHighwind> ...a lake.
<VladHighwind> No new dyes.
<Spiffor> French have bought mysticism from the Americans
<UberKruX> and the warrior on the coast moves E
<VladHighwind> Oh, whoops, jumped the gun.
<trevman74> interessante
<VladHighwind> Reloaded.
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<civman2000> uh oh
<Trip-> Vlad quit it... -_-
<UberKruX> Trips goign to assinate you.
<UberKruX> :)
<MrWhererItsAt> Wait for the red
<OPD> me too
<MrWhererItsAt> If it's the Prez doing it, it's "silence", not assassinate.
<Trip-> 4Warrior 2 moves NW
<civman2000> spiff: you mean they know each other?
<MrWhererItsAt> They have to
<Spiffor> civman : that's sure : French treasury is 0, and American trasury is 77
<OPD> wait is warrior 2 the one nearest the dyes?
<VladHighwind> Wow.
<Spiffor> OPD : yes
<Trip-> next UK?
<VladHighwind> Yeah.  It's the one near NY.
<UberKruX> guy on coast East
<trevman74> hey Trip, can you get around to posting a pic every few turns for those of us without the save
<UberKruX> thats all me warriors.
<Spiffor> I have a request before we end the turn !
<MrWhererItsAt> He will
<Ninot> back
<UberKruX> i'll do it.
<Gepap> Thanks Uber
<JSeeds> thanks uber, i'd appreciate that as well
<Ninot> someone update me plz?
<Trip-> I can do it UK
<Spiffor> We must manage production in Apolyton : currently, we're sacrificing a shield for 1 commerce !
<UberKruX> you sure mr low memory?
<Trip-> I just restarted...
<trevman74> what's that "wow" about?
<UberKruX> ok then.
<Trip-> what do you think I have the game report thread for anyways? :P
<UberKruX> so, whats the warrior goign to do
<UberKruX> err
<UberKruX> worker
<Trip-> LoL, you tell me
<VladHighwind> What's Warrior 4 doing?
<civman2000> make spiffor's suggested change!
<Spiffor> We didn't move Warrior4 yet
<VladHighwind> And the worker.
<UberKruX> all my warriors are done.
<UberKruX> the coast guy?
<Trip-> Worker 2 is going to move NW
<UberKruX> he goes East (3rd time i said it)
<UberKruX> :)
<Spiffor> Trip : please, consult us !
<VladHighwind> Waiting for it to become official...
<Trip-> okay
<VladHighwind> ;)
<Trip-> Spiffy: we already decided
<Trip-> Worker: NW NW
<Trip-> :P
* UberKruX will write HIS commands in blue. :)
<MrWhererItsAt> Good, Vlad - you won't be "silenced" then
* VladHighwind waits for it to become official
* VladHighwind tries to silence himself
* VladHighwind decides against it
<UberKruX> lol
* VladHighwind still waits
<Trip-> okay, thanks UIK
* MrWhererItsAt says to Vlad "Here let me try"
<Trip-> -I
<VladHighwind> ?
<Trip-> 4Warrior 4 moves E
<Trip-> 4Worker 2 moves NW
<Gepap> Hurrah!
<Sheik-> What are we currently building in the cities?
* MrWhererItsAt has succeeded in silencing Vlad
<Trip-> I'll post new screenshots now
<VladHighwind> I see a scout...
<UberKruX> barracks in poly
<UberKruX> warrior in HQ
<MrWhererItsAt> DOH!
<trevman74> hurrah, what?
<Gepap> Who's scout?
<UberKruX> Vlad, where
<OPD> yanks
<VladHighwind> Warrior 4...
<UberKruX> i dont see one
<MrWhererItsAt> Uh oh...
<UberKruX> is my Sav all fubared?
<Trip-> American Scout
<OPD> at the end of the river
<VladHighwind> I swear, I moved it East...
<UberKruX> send me yours trip
<UberKruX> i believe you
<VladHighwind> You see it, too?
<Gepap> mae east for you two?
<trevman74> what the hec is going on?
<UberKruX> maybe the AI is different on mine.
<VladHighwind> Probably.
<Trip-> 4Posting screenshots now, don't get your panties in a twist
<UberKruX> someone send me a sav real quick, krux@r0x0rz.org
<MrWhererItsAt> Just read on, trevman - we'll catch up eventually...
<Gepap> That might be an issue
<Gepap> Isn't only Trips game official?
<OPD> wait you are using the same save game from 2900bc as was posted?
<VladHighwind> Yeah.  I posted it. :)
<UberKruX> yes Gepap
<MrWhererItsAt> This could kill the playing along thing...
<civman2000> yeah
* civman2000 waits for turnchats
* civman2000 screenshots
<Spiffor> Uber : I'll send you mine.
* civman2000 dumb typo
<UberKruX> ty.
<Trip-> screenshots^
<Trip-> :)
<Ninot> i got royally fubared for leaving for 5 minutes, didnt I?
<Trip-> LoL
<UberKruX> ninot not really.
<UberKruX> nothign big happened
<MrWhererItsAt> Dunno, Ninot - all hell mya be about to break loose
<Trip-> royally ;)
<Ninot> what are warrior moves?
<UberKruX> we did 2 moves, did you miss both?
<OPD> vlad have you been using your own save games since 4000bc
<Ninot> i missed the second
<Gepap> Has anyone looke at the histograph, seen wehre we are vs. Other two?
<Ninot> i have frequently Gepap
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<UberKruX> the warrior near france went W
<trevman74> enlighten us
<MrWhererItsAt> bye random guest
<UberKruX> near NY went NW
<UberKruX> and other one went E
<Sheik-> What does the histograph say?
* Trip- yawns and waits for the stupid 'Poly server to work
<Gepap> And Ninot?
<Ninot> along the coast, right?
<UberKruX> yes
<Ninot> We are leading.. but not by much, and we are falling
<Gepap> Doh!
<UberKruX> its jus because we had a 2nd settler.
<Ninot> ok.. i THINK i am all up to date.. what about production and such?
<UberKruX> and now they both have 2nd cities
<MrWhererItsAt> NO changes yet
<Ninot> whats the worker doin?
<TheThing-> how is our pollution?
<UberKruX> Apolyton barracks
<UberKruX> HQ warrior
<UberKruX> worker  moves NW again
<Trip-> 4East and West Screenshots updated: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1069804&t=73
  20#post1069804
<Ninot> three nw?
<Trip-> remember to refresh :)
<Ninot> oh, nm
<Ninot> i cant count
<Spiffor> Uber : sent
<UberKruX> ty.
<UberKruX> lol trip, you use stylized icons?
<UberKruX> :)
<JSeeds> thanks trip
<Trip-> hehe, yep :)
<Trip-> I mix of both
<Spiffor> Can anyone tell me what's the plan with worker2 ?
<Trip-> np
<trevman74> thnx Trip
<Trip-> I don't like the coal, iron, gold original icons
<Trip-> np
<Trip-> Worker 2 will clear a jungle tile next to where Red City will go
<Spiffor> Trip : ok, make him clear a jungle tile next to the river then
<Ninot> ok.. France is still offering a bad deal for Pottery, but their offer is better than USA's (cuz 
  they are polite) ;)
<VladHighwind> back
<Spiffor> (I still think it's absurd not to roadmine first, though)
<Sheik-> what are the deals?
<MrWhererItsAt> Is that Iron in the French Mts?
<Trip-> yes
<TheThing-> where do we need pottery for, we arent going to build granaries but archers
<Trip-> Ninot, what are the deatails?
<Spiffor> MWIA : no, it's gold
<JSeeds> gold i think
<Spiffor> MWIA : we can't see Iron for now
<Trip-> Mwia, we haven't yet discovered iron working :)
<Ninot> uhhh.. the only deal we can pull off is Pottery for 2GPT and 4 gold
<MrWhererItsAt> Doh.
<VladHighwind> Yeah, it's gold.
<MrWhererItsAt> Ta guys
<Trip-> ewww
<Trip-> no GPT deals
<Trip-> Pottery stinks anyways
<MrWhererItsAt> Screw Pottery
<Ninot> agreed
<civman2000> Yeah it's not worth it
<Sheik-> GPT deals are awful
<MrWhererItsAt> Down with Pots!
* UberKruX loads up spiffs SAV
<trevman74> concur
<civman2000> It costs like nothing to research anyway
<UberKruX> ok. much better.
<TheThing-> smash those pots
<Spiffor> Trip : please do this :
<UberKruX> did we end the turn yet?
* VladHighwind smashes a vase
<Trip-> huh?
<Trip-> no, not yet
<UberKruX> k
<Spiffor> Trip : go to Polly, and don't work on the whales but on the unused mined grassland
<Trip-> why?
<Spiffor> We'll get one more shield, fr one less commerce
<Trip-> aren't we preparing for our Military cities now?
<Spiffor> We need the most possible shields
<TheThing-> we do not need money we need production
<trevman74> I concur with Spiffor
<Trip-> jungles aren't good for shields :P
<UberKruX> i concur.
<VladHighwind> It'd make a difference, I less turn needed...
<MrWhererItsAt> Most shields yes - I second Spiff's proposal
<civman2000> mmmmmmmi concur
<VladHighwind> Go with it.
<civman2000> i*
<VladHighwind> I concur.
<Ninot> yeah, fixer-up!
* VladHighwind waits for Trip to respond
<JSeeds> *agrees
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* Trip- turns Worker 2 around and wastes 2 turns with him
<Trip-> :)
<Trip-> actually, 2 to get where he is
* MrWhererItsAt ponders: perhaps THIS is an unofficial senate...?
<Trip-> and 2 to get back
<Spiffor> Another suggestion for everyone, about worker2 : he should clear a tile near the river, do you 
  concur ?
<VladHighwind> Yeah.
<MrWhererItsAt> Do we need the roas to France?
<MrWhererItsAt> road
<VladHighwind> Not yet.
<UberKruX> i say yes. they say no. :)
* Trip- yawns
<Ninot> river tiles are better, so yeah
<Spiffor> MWIA : we'll attack with archers
<civman2000> yes
<civman2000> but not quite yet
<Trip-> I hate that stupid governor
<trevman74> How do you do that third-person asterick thing?
<VladHighwind> "/me"
<Trip-> getting the whales instead of the mine... *shakes his head*
<Trip-> okay
* Ninot tries it
<Trip-> 4Ending turn now
<VladHighwind> Wait, what about changing the tile?
<Ninot> how do you use colored text?
* MrWhererItsAt gives Ninot a prize
<VladHighwind> Not a clue.
<Spiffor> We now get 2gpt
<civman2000> what year?
<Trip-> I already did
<Trip-> Spiffy's right
<Trip-> 2 GPT
<Spiffor> I won't say it, it's Trip priviledge
<UberKruX> GAH. BLASTED SCOUTS IN MY WAY
<MrWhererItsAt> Ninot: Don't: it'll confuse us all
<VladHighwind> So we're working both mined tiles?
<civman2000> 2800 or 2750?
<Spiffor> 2750 now
<Ninot> MWIA.. im a minister anyways, sometimes i need to break away from the spam
<Trip-> LoL yep
<VladHighwind> Are we working both mined tiles in 2800?
<Trip-> 2750
<VladHighwind> Were we, rather?
<Trip-> yes
<Trip-> we are, and were
<VladHighwind> Good.
<Spiffor> 12OK, I suggest ministers issue their orders / important things in blue
<MrWhererItsAt> Ninot: We don't spam. :p
<Spiffor> But unimportant things should remain black
<Ninot> no.. but in the heat of a chat, sometimes ministers gotta be heard
<Trip-> Spiffor
<Ninot> Spiff! pm me how to use blue plz?
<Trip-> 4Ministers just whisper me your orders
<Ninot> whisper eh?
<MrWhererItsAt> Just open a window with Trip
<VladHighwind> I agree.  Don't want to be confused. ;)
<TheThing-> whisper, thats no democracy
<trevman74> but what about the people??
<Spiffor> I prefer the blue thing. At least, people know we don't hide anything
<Trip-> I announce the orders
<Ninot> windows might not get noticed
<Trip-> Ministers can say whatever they want in here
<VladHighwind> They suggest in blue?
<Trip-> but if they want me to do something, then whisper me
* VladHighwind wonders why he phrased that in a question?
<VladHighwind> ;)
<trevman74> We have a right to listen to our ELECTED representatives
<Sheik-> true
<VladHighwind> We should know what they're saying.
<Spiffor> I concur
* civman2000 wants to just get on with the game
<Sheik-> Agreed
<VladHighwind> Right!
* MrWhererItsAt is silent
<UberKruX> 11,2.12: 0 UBERKRUX IS GOD 12:11.
<UberKruX> :)
<Spiffor> It seems to be settled then :)
<Ninot> heh
<JSeeds> lol
* MrWhererItsAt raises eyebrow at UK
* Trip- yawns
<UberKruX> here are the orders i gave trip
<UberKruX> 12 THE WARRIOR NEAR FRANCE MOVES NW
<Trip-> 4Warrior 1 moves west
* trevman74 Trevman fights futilely against tyrannical changes
* civman2000 yawns because it is contagious
<Trip-> erm
<Trip-> NW
<UberKruX> ah youll see it in a sec
<UberKruX> lol
* VladHighwind wonders what's going on
<VladHighwind> Just more mountains...
* trevman74 tries to figure out this interesting third-person asterick thing
<Spiffor> Trip : take care not to write the error in your report
<Sheik-> how many turns have we finished and how many do we do per turnchat?
* OPD can't move west and north west
* VladHighwind says that it depends
<TheThing-> maybe we can exploit a ski resort
* VladHighwind says that Trip said we're moving NW
<Trip-> I know spiffy
<Spiffor> That's great to see how the French are limited
<Trip-> 4Worker 2 begins clearing jungle
<MrWhererItsAt> Does this jungle NEVER end?
<civman2000> we're on our 3rd turn i think
<Spiffor> Trip : Argh no !
<Trip-> all ministers
<UberKruX> MWIA, i told you it wouldnt
<Trip-> important information: whisper it to me
<VladHighwind> Too late, I already followed Trip's orders...
<Trip-> I may not be paying attention in here
<MrWhererItsAt> I didn't disagree...
<Spiffor> Trip : do you sometimes listen ? The only thing agreed upon was to move it NW. Now you're just 
  doing whatever you want with this worker
* Gepap has joined #civ3dem
<civman2000> wb gepap
<Gepap> hello, iam back
<VladHighwind> hey Gepap
<Gepap> tech difficualties
* trevman74 feels left out of the government process that he elected
<Sheik-> * Sheik agrees
<Trip-> Spiffy: that was the plan
* civman2000 suggests that trevman join teh DIA
<MrWhererItsAt> Trip etc: Shall we non-Ministers shut up for a mo 'till you sort your differences out?
<Sheik-> Hey mine doesn't work
<Trip-> what did we do, march him into the jungle then march back?
* civman2000 remembers that he already is in the DIA!
<trevman74> I'm already in the DIA
<VladHighwind> :D
<civman2000> lol
<Spiffor> Trip : read my whisper
<Sheik-> * how does it work?
* UberKruX sets mode: +vvv Andreiguy civman2000 Gepap
<civman2000> ?
* UberKruX sets mode: +vvv JSeeds MrWhererItsAt Ninot
* UberKruX sets mode: +vvv OPD punkbass2000 Sheik-
<VladHighwind> Huh?
* UberKruX sets mode: +vvv Spiffor TheThing- trevman74
* UberKruX sets mode: +v VladHighwind
<Spiffor> Do you want to moderate the Chan Uber ?
<civman2000> Does that give us special powers?
* Trip- sets mode: +m
<VladHighwind> What you say?
<MrWhererItsAt> Huh?
<Gepap> whats the issue?
<UberKruX> thinking about it.
<civman2000> or what
<UberKruX> :)
<trevman74> what the heck did you do?
<Gepap> What have i missed?
<civman2000> WTF is going on
<MrWhererItsAt> UK has too much power here.
<Spiffor> Uber : why show your ultimate power of op ?
<UberKruX> now if we want you to shut up we can do it.
<Ninot> wth?
<UberKruX> Trip, what are we doing
* VladHighwind shuts himself up
<Trip-> I don't know
<Trip-> :P
<civman2000> -v civman2000
<civman2000> didnt work :(
* UberKruX sets mode: -v civman2000
<UberKruX> have fun.
<trevman74> oh that gives us a voice on a moderated channel
<UberKruX> :)
* UberKruX sets mode: +v civman2000
<VladHighwind> Punk, Spiffor, and Ninot are ministers...
<Ninot> yeah
<Ninot> yup yup
<civman2000> now it always say "Cannot send to channel"
<VladHighwind> shouldn't they be -v?
<civman2000> hmm not anymore
<VladHighwind> Meh.
<Trip-> only if we want everyone quiet Vlad
<Trip-> :P
<UberKruX> TRIP: do something
<UberKruX> is the turn over?
<VladHighwind> I don't think so...
<Spiffor> Uber : did you move all your warriors ?
<civman2000> LET's play
<VladHighwind> Where do warriors 2 and 4 move?
<UberKruX> i gave the orders.
<Gepap> Perhaps a new gov is in order?
<UberKruX> THE WARRIOR NEAR FRANCE MOVES NW
<UberKruX> the coastal warrior moves NE
<VladHighwind> Waiting for confirmation
<UberKruX> the one near america NW
<MrWhererItsAt> Revolution LATER, Gepap
<Gepap> Ok Ok
<Spiffor> Write in blue Uber :)
<UberKruX> bleh.
* civman2000 falls asleep of boredom
* MrWhererItsAt prods civman
* VladHighwind blows a bullhorn
<Gepap> This is like watching a car wreck
<trevman74> lol
<Spiffor> Gepap : what ?
<Trip-> vrrrrrrrooooooooooooooom
<Trip-> beep beep!
<Gepap> gruesome, but can't stop
<VladHighwind> Trip, confirm Uber's moves...
* civman2000 wakes up and pukes all over MrWIA
<Trip-> 4Warrior 1 moves NW
<Trip-> 4Warrior 2 moves NW
<Trip-> 4Warrior 4 moves NE
<punkbass2000>  Perhaps there should be minister only turnchats or some such, to reduce confusion
<Trip-> 4Worker 2 clears jungle
<Ninot> yeahhh
<Trip-> ending turn now :P
<Ninot> thats an ideaq
<Spiffor> We did it !
<Gepap> BUt then its not a dem!
* MrWhererItsAt chokeslams civman into vomit
<punkbass2000> How isn't it democrtaic?
<VladHighwind> Done.
<Trip-> and it's confusing too!
<Trip-> just what we want!
<Spiffor> New dyes discovered
<Trip-> it would be a place for people to discuss their orders
<trevman74> agrees with Gepap
<Trip-> without idle chit chat
<UberKruX> ministers join #civ3demMINISTER
<UberKruX> :)
<punkbass2000> Were the ministers not elected as reprsentatives of the populace?
<Spiffor> 2710 BC
<Gepap> MOst idle chitchat comse from Ministers!
<VladHighwind> Ending turn already?
<trevman74> we could have those but not while turns are being generated
<VladHighwind> Most here are ministers...
<Trip-> I haven't ended the turn yet
<Trip-> did you see red? :)
<Spiffor> Trip : sorry, I forgot you didn't write it in red
<VladHighwind> Spiffor- don't act like I do! :)
<Trip-> alright then
<Trip-> 4Ending turn now
<VladHighwind> Good...
<trevman74> this is like Simon says
<Spiffor> 2710 BC then
<trevman74> what's the status on production?
<UberKruX> Apolyton builds a barracks in 2
<VladHighwind> BHQ warrior 6
<Spiffor> trevman : barracks ready in Apolyton in 2 turns
* _Jonny_ has joined #Civ3dem
<VladHighwind> hey Jonny
<civman2000> hey jonny
<Spiffor> Hi jonny
<Gepap> ey jonny
<Trip-> That jungle never ends!!!!!
<Trip-> good lord in heaveen!!!!!!!!!!
* UberKruX sets mode: +v _Jonny_
* UberKruX sets mode: -m
<trevman74> cool
<UberKruX> sorry about that jonny
<Spiffor> That's better
<_Jonny_> thx
* VladHighwind burns the jungle
* VladHighwind saves the bananas
<Trip-> 42710 BC
<Trip-> 4 2710 BC
<Trip-> I mean
<VladHighwind> :D
<Trip-> 4Warrior 1 moves E
<VladHighwind> East?!
<Gepap> So, have we seen the end of mountains in south?
<Trip-> erm
<Trip-> sorry
<trevman74> I like the change from diagonal movements
<Trip-> 4Correction, Warrior 4 moves E
<civman2000> can we have a screenshot update soon?
<Trip-> aka Coastal warrior
<Trip-> yes
<Trip-> at the end of this turn
<VladHighwind> See more dyes.
<VladHighwind> 5 dyes now.
<Trip-> 4America Warrior moves NW
<Spiffor> Sees more jungle too :)
<Ninot> we see an end to the mountain chain
<VladHighwind> The jungle ends!
<Sheik-> Hurray
<Spiffor> Good land !
<Gepap> Hurrah!!!
<TheThing-> for real?
<MrWhererItsAt> BUt is there much good land?
<civman2000> woohoo
<Trip-> 1 tile
<Trip-> LoL
<UberKruX> dont know yet :)
<VladHighwind> Yes, they've got grassland, a river...
<Gepap> Then we see more jungle after it...
<Spiffor> We see 2 goo tiles, and we can guess a third
<Trip-> 4Warrior 1 moves W
<VladHighwind> and a mined square on the river. :D
<Trip-> NW^
<Trip-> ack, can't type today
<VladHighwind> Iroquois?
<Sheik-> More Jungle?
<VladHighwind> Ah, crud!
<civman2000> iroqs??
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<VladHighwind> Went by Trip's first order...
<Gepap> What, found Iriqouis?
<Spiffor> Vlad : where do you see Iroquois ?
<VladHighwind> Moved it west by accident...
<UberKruX> god fucking dammit
<Ninot>  :(
<civman2000> this is why playing along is dangerous
<VladHighwind> Jumped the gun...
<Gepap> Well, we know the future
<Spiffor> Vlad : bad ! You shouldn't have told us (but it's likely Iroqs come into sight next turn
<Trip-> and we weren't going to go south either
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<Trip-> Spiffy: No
<Trip-> we wouldn't have known
<MrWhereItsAt> my name was wrong
<VladHighwind> I'm... going to stop playing now. :)
<Trip-> we were going to go north
<MrWhereItsAt> Trip or UK: Let us know when the new screenies are up.
<Spiffor> Trip : yes, but the Irosq move on their own. I bet we'll see them at the beginning of next turn
<VladHighwind> Done enough damage as is.
<Ninot> k.. the Iroqs won't be announcef officially.. k?
<Spiffor> Ninot : yes
<MrWhereItsAt> Hang on... Iroqs not official?
<VladHighwind> Yes, they don't exist.
<trevman74>  I suggest that playing along should end now
<Gepap> Vlad made a boo boo
<VladHighwind> There are no iroquois.
<VladHighwind> I've already stopped playing along.
* civman2000 waits for something to happen
* VladHighwind slaps himself with a haddock
* trevman74 wishes for men in black flashy thing
<UberKruX> maybe they'll bump into us next turn. whatever.
<Spiffor> We see the surroundings of Washington...
<Spiffor> Uber : I think they'll do
<UberKruX> i refuse tp change my orders based on this.
<Gepap> Is it good land?
<VladHighwind> A mined tile along a river. :lol:
<UberKruX> let us move on.
<VladHighwind> At least I think it's along a river...
<Spiffor> Gepap : it's the 2 and guessable 3 we talked about
<Trip-> uploading new screenshots
<Sheik-> So are we allowed to say things in the forums about the Iroqs?
<MrWhereItsAt> Not yet
<VladHighwind> No, not until they're official.
<Sheik-> alright
<MrWhereItsAt> Not till we actually find them
* VladHighwind slaps himself with haddock again
<Spiffor> We see it from very far. I only tell this because the Yanks have 2 citie, andwe see a twist in 
  their borders
* MrWhereItsAt swears everyone here to an oath of silence
* Spiffor swears the oath
* VladHighwind swears to the oath
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<Trip-> 4New Screenshots: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1069804&t=393#post1069804
* OPD swears
<civman2001> i'm back
<civman2001> connection died
* TheThing- swears the goat
<OPD> lol
<Sheik-> * Sheik wishes he could do the third person thing and swears an oath
* trevman74 swears
<MrWhereItsAt> Sheik - "/me"
<Gepap>  swear the oath too
<Spiffor> Good news : worker1 finishes cleaning in 3 turns
<trevman74> Sheik: "/me" then messae
<Gepap> "/me" sear oath
<Sheik-> "/" swears oath
<UberKruX> lol
* _Jonny_ swear the oath
<TheThing-> me tarzan
<Ninot> is turnchat over?
* civman2001 is now known as civman2000
<Sheik-> "/me" swear oath
<Spiffor> Ninot : not yet
<UberKruX> no squotes.
<UberKruX> :)
<VladHighwind> Drop the quotation marks.
<trevman74> without the qoutations
<_Jonny_> without the quotes
<Spiffor> Trip : should we end the turn ?
* Sheik- swear oath
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<trevman74> good job
* VladHighwind slaps himself with a herring
* Gepap swears this damn oath!
<Trip-> yes
<Trip-> 4Ending turn now
* VladHighwind then cuts down a tree with a herring
<MrWhereItsAt> wtg Gepap!
<Ninot> lol, this is gonna be the Iroq consiracy
<UberKruX> good. we offically met the iro.
* Spiffor unswears the oath :)
<Ninot> conspiracy even
<VladHighwind> Ninot!
<Trip-> Iroqs came into view
<Trip-> thank goodness
* JSeeds swears oath of silence
<VladHighwind> Oh.
<JSeeds> lol nm
* VladHighwind stands by oath
<Ninot> good
<MrWhereItsAt> Whoa - that IS good land.
<_Jonny_> darn, no conspiracy
<trevman74> but only this turn of course
<Spiffor> Good, we're more advanced than them
<OPD> some one speak to the Ironqus
* Trip- chops off Vlad's hands so he can't play ever again
* VladHighwind regenerates hands
* UberKruX prepares his moves.
<Trip-> Ninot?
<trevman74> I think that we deserve a pic
* Sheik- wishes for conspiracy
<Ninot> we can trade for Pottery.. cheaper too
<Trip-> it's just a Warrior :P
* VladHighwind isn't planning on playing along, anyway
<JSeeds> whats the offer
<Gepap> Thank god!
<Spiffor> We have 2 techs they don't have, and they only have pottery. Plus, their warrior is conscript, 
  so it comes from a goody hut
<Ninot> if we give them Masonry, we can get Pottery
<VladHighwind> Hmmm...
<Ninot> and 15 gold
<Trip-> 4Warrior 1 moves N
* Gepap Spits and the damn oath, swear never again!
<VladHighwind> Pottery and 15 gold?
<civman2000> cool
<VladHighwind> Good...
<civman2000> do it, i sya
<MrWhereItsAt> Sounds good
<_Jonny_> nice
<VladHighwind> We can use the gold.
<Gepap> Do it, it sound good
* MrWhereItsAt now has signatures of everyone here for his nefarious purposes
<VladHighwind> Do it.
<trevman74> how much can we get without pottery?
<Spiffor> Sounds good
<Spiffor> trevman : 15 gold
<Spiffor> no gpt
<Ninot> yeah.. they dont have much
<trevman74> oh, well get pottery with it then
<Gepap> At least they are weak
<MrWhereItsAt> Let's take all that we can while they are weak
<Spiffor> They have only 2 cities too
<VladHighwind> Suck them dry.
<Trip-> 4Warrior 2 moves W
<Trip-> 4Warrior 4 moves S
<trevman74> maybe we should attack the Iroqs?
<VladHighwind> No, not yet.
<Sheik-> Good plan
<civman2000> not yet
<Sheik-> DOWN WITH THE IROQS
<Spiffor> Now we have a proof that Yanks and Pinks know each other
<civman2000> and too far away
<trevman74> crap
<MrWhereItsAt> How, Spiffor?
<Spiffor> More good land has been found near America
<VladHighwind> How much?
<Spiffor> MWIA : a Pink warrior is next to the Yank border
<Gepap> we are surrounded!
<Spiffor> 2 tiles I think
<VladHighwind> :eek:
<Sheik-> we can fight are way out
<MrWhereItsAt> That's the plan
<Spiffor> But that's good land next to a river
* UberKruX has to go. i gave trip general orders for our glorious armies.
<UberKruX> [17:23] <UberKruX> keep that coastal warrior on the coast
<Spiffor> Our other explorers didn't find anything worth of interest
<UberKruX> [17:23] <UberKruX> the french one should go north still (unless you really want to find the 
  iroquois)
<MrWhereItsAt> cya UK.
<UberKruX> [17:23] <UberKruX> and the american one should circle the american borders and then head north 
  or east, depending on what we see.
<VladHighwind> seeya Uber
<UberKruX> make sure he follows them :)
<Gepap> BYe Uber
<UberKruX> Goodbye fellow Apolytonians. :)
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<Spiffor> Bye Uber
<_Jonny_> bye
<JSeeds> later
<trevman74> Trip- update pic
<trevman74> hey, that rhymes
* _Jonny_ is leaving- he has to go
<MrWhereItsAt> Au revoir
<Trip-> I just did the end of last turn :P
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* civman2000 thinks the chat is dying
<Gepap> Will we limit this to two hours?
<Spiffor> civman : why so ?
<civman2000> so it's over?
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<trevman74> sorry
<civman2000> all the people are leaving
<Spiffor> civman : I don't think so
<MrWhereItsAt> Trip: do you have Uber's orders?
<Trip-> Limit = when we feel ready to stop or when something big comes up
<Trip-> Yes
<Trip-> I have all of the ministers' orders
<Trip-> I will continue unless something big comes up
* trevman74 refreshes
<Ninot> the trade is done
<OPD> carry on up the kyber
<Spiffor> I say we should end this turn, after having done the trade
<Ninot> w
<Ninot> ack, sorry
<Gepap> Do we want to find Salamanca?
<civman2000> i agree
<MrWhereItsAt> How many turns done?
<VladHighwind> Up to 2670, IIRC...
<Trip-> 4We trade Masonry for Pottery and 15 Gold
<VladHighwind> Booyaka!
* Ninot nod
<MrWhereItsAt> YAY!
<Trip-> okay
<Trip-> 4Ending turn now
<Spiffor> Gepap : Uber said the France's warrior should go north, so we're not heading to the likely 
  location of Irqs
<MrWhereItsAt> Dunno whether to trust your info Vlad... :D
<Ninot> the Iroquois are Polite to us
<civman2000> Let's vote: who wants to stop now?
<civman2000> I do
<VladHighwind> :D
<Sheik-> ME
<OPD> not me
<Ninot> i do.. gotta eat soon
<civman2000> 2-0
<Gepap> I don't mind going on
<VladHighwind> I say, keep going.
<MrWhereItsAt> How many turns completed?
<civman2000> 3-3
<Spiffor> I don't
<VladHighwind> 5 turns.
<Trip-> 4Apolyton builds Barracks
<VladHighwind> Booyaka!
<civman2000> 3-4
<Sheik-> We should post the turnchat text on the forum so the people can see what the ministers say
<trevman74> only ministers should be in the vote
<Spiffor> Sheik : already done once. Curiously enough, the thread died immediately :)
<Ninot> yeah.. whats up with you non-minnies votting?
<Spiffor> What was the plan in Case pink already ?
<civman2000> 2-2 if only ministers
<Trip-> we'll end when Ninot leaves
<Trip-> I say go
<Gepap> No one should see what was sid here!
<trevman74> but if we count everybody, I vote for continuing since I probably won't be able to make the 
  next turnchat
<Ninot> cool.
<OPD> whats next for apoly
<Trip-> keep going, that is
<MrWhereItsAt> We should vote too, just that it's hard to continue w/o Ministers
<civman2000> 2-3
<MrWhereItsAt> Couple more turns
<civman2000> 4-4 with all
<civman2000> 4-5*
<Trip-> Warrior 1 will move N
<Trip-> yes, 2 or 3 more turns
<Trip-> whatever allows
<civman2000> ok we keep playing
<Trip-> 4Warrior 1 (French Warrior) moves N
<Spiffor> more mountains. The French are trapped
<Trip-> Warrior 4 (Coastal Warrior) will move S along the coast
<trevman74> well, the ministers are the ones making the decisions should they should decide whether they 
  want to sleep on it or not
<Trip-> 4Warrior 4 (Coastal Warrior) moves S
<Spiffor> more jungle
<Gepap> Terrbile area we are all in!
<Ninot> i love the names for the warriors
<Trip-> Warrior 2 will move NW, along American border
<trevman74> at least we're all in the same boat
<Spiffor> Yep, but I fear the Yanks have good land
<Gepap> While other civs become huge, we fight for scrap!
<Trip-> 4Warrior 2 moves NW
<Spiffor> more good land next to US
<trevman74> but at least we'll have the best scrap of all
<Trip-> Apolyton will begin production on Archer
<MrWhereItsAt> Or all the scrap
<Trip-> 4 turns
<MrWhereItsAt> Poly has barracks?
<trevman74> correct you are
<Trip-> yes, it just finished this turn
<Spiffor> Iroqs have 12 gold already ???
<Trip-> <MrWhereItsAt> How many turns completed?
<Trip-> <civman2000> 3-3
<Trip-> <Trip-> Apolyton builds Barracks
<Trip-> <Spiffor> I don't
<Trip-> <VladHighwind> 5 turns.
<MrWhereItsAt> Niiice.
<OPD> ?will poly be unhappy when it grows to 3?
<Spiffor> OPD : yes
<civman2000> ??
<VladHighwind> Wonderful...
<Spiffor> To avoid this, we'll either have to make an entetainer, or a warrior
<Trip-> Archer or Settler then?
<Trip-> or a settler...
<civman2000> settler
<VladHighwind> Settler.  Go with settler.
<OPD> settler
<Trip-> alright
<Trip-> that's pretty definitive
<Ninot> the archer will pacify it, wont it?
<Spiffor> Trip : a settler won't be ready before Poly reaches size 3. I say we should go for whatever said 
  Pan pink
<trevman74> settler would go with Case Pink
<Ninot> but.. we need the archer before the town is done getting to 3 :(
<MrWhereItsAt> settler, unless someone has a good reason for an entertainer
<Gepap> Yeah, archer
<OPD> wait a settler will be too late
<Trip-> yes, but we need to get as many cities out as soon as we can for Pink
<Spiffor> Settler
<Trip-> we'll change it to an entertainer
<Sheik-> settle
<civman2000> we can go a couple turns with an entertainer
<OPD> ok
<Ninot> settler then?
<civman2000> screenshot update?
<Trip-> hmmm
<trevman74> will we get the archer before we reach 3?
<Ninot> no
<OPD> no
<Trip-> at the end of this turn
<Trip-> next turn^
<Trip-> 4Next turn will be the last turn
<MrWhereItsAt> cool
<Gepap> So speaks Pharoe!
<civman2000> :B:
<Ninot> the BHQ worker is just about done
<Trip-> okay
<MrWhereItsAt> lol!  Pharaoh Trip.
<Trip-> LoL
<Trip-> going to end turn now
<civman2000> lol
<Trip-> any protests?
<Gepap> When do we build his tomb?
<Spiffor> Trip : go ahead
<MrWhereItsAt> no complaints
<Ninot> sure, go
<Trip-> okay
<civman2000> When he loses going for reelection
<Ninot> lol
<trevman74> are we building a settler or an archer?
<Trip-> 4Ending turn now
<Sheik-> do we have term limits
<Trip-> Settler
<civman2000> settler
<Spiffor> Trip : did you change production ?
<Gepap> but will we have to burry him with his cabinet?
<civman2000> no
<civman2000> lol
<Trip-> yes Spiffy
<VladHighwind> Any screenies?
<Ninot> im suspecting the Iroqs got that 12 gold by selling Mysticism to someone we dont know
<Trip-> end of this turn
<civman2000> not for one more turn
<Trip-> Warrior 1 (French) will move N
<Trip-> along mountain
<MrWhereItsAt> Iroqs have Mysticism?  I thought they only had Pots thaT we didn't
<Ninot> no.. 
<trevman74> check to see if any if the Americans just got mysticism
<Spiffor> MWIA: they don't have mysticism
<Ninot> sorry
<VladHighwind> gtg
<Ninot> Masonry
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<Trip-> maybe they traded Masonry?
<Ninot> is what i meant
<MrWhereItsAt> bye Vlad
<Trip-> oh, nevermind
<Trip-> they did :P
<Trip-> okay
<Trip-> 4Warrior 1 moves N
<Trip-> oooo
<Trip-> fertile land!
<Trip-> :D
<Gepap> what?
<Trip-> Target: France
<trevman74> Americans got masonry from Iroquis?
<Spiffor> Wine !
<Ninot> fertile vineland!
<Trip-> boy though...
<Trip-> I can see the edge of that jungle still
<Trip-> it's STILL going
<Ninot> no... 
<Trip-> it's HUGEEEEEEEE
<Ninot> Iroqs probably trades masonry to someone we dont know
<Trip-> Warrior 2 (American) will move NW
<Ninot> Americans start with Masonry
<Spiffor> trevman : Yanks are industrious and got masonry from the beginning. Plus, there is a very low 
  chance they know each other (Iroqs are south of the known world, while Yanks are NW
<trevman74> oh, yea forgot
<Gepap> Did we set map on hot and wet?
<Ninot> Spiff, we dont know that
<Ninot> that warrior has traveled a bit
<Sheik-> it was random i think
<MrWhereItsAt> It's rrrandom
<MrWhereItsAt> IIRC
<Trip-> 4Warrior 2 (American) moves NW
<OPD> Has BHQ worker finished?
<Gepap> No wonder....
<Spiffor> OPd : not yet
<Ninot> yup
<Spiffor> oops, sorry :)
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<Ninot> lol
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<Ninot> youve never played civ3 have you?
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<Trip-> yes OPD
<Ninot> lol
<OPD> change tiles
<MrWhereItsAt> put it away, civman!
<Ninot> what did coast warrior do?.
<Gepap> Ube said, "follow coast"
<Trip-> Coast warrior will move W
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<Ninot> w?
<Trip-> 4Coast Warrior moves W
<Ninot> thats not possible, is it?
<Trip-> E
<MrWhereItsAt> Uh oh...
<Trip-> I mean
<Trip-> geezer
<OPD> 2 food and 1 gold from new grassland
<Spiffor> In BHQ : We have to choose if we want faster growth, or gold
<trevman74> Yeah I've played - just not as Americans
<MrWhereeItsAt> growth
<Spiffor> I say, go with gold until the warrior is finished
<trevman74> but you're jesting right?
<Trip-> 4Production in Banana HQ changed to cleared tile
<Ninot> ack.. tiddle dee tee
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<MrWhereItsAt> growth
<Spiffor> Because we won't benefit from growth now, as paople will be unhappy
<MrWhereItsAt> growth as long as we stay content
<trevman74> we need production to fuel our war machinge
<trevman74> machine I mean
<Spiffor> Growth will create unhappiness, with current growth settings, the warrior will come just in time
<trevman74> hey, that rhymes also
<Trip-> Wrker 1 will move NW
<OPD> we can always pop rush. i think
<civman2000> commerce
<Trip-> Worker^
<civman2000> i changed my mind
<Trip-> 4Worker 1 moves NW
<trevman74> A pop rush won't be a bad idea
<Ninot> into the city?
<Gepap> wher' our ethics?
<Trip-> no
<Trip-> W of the city
<Ninot> oh, rofl
<OPD> thats east ninot
<Spiffor> with current settings, growth is in 3 turns (when warrior arrives), and we make 1 gpt. With more 
  growth, the city expands in 2 turns, but we make no gpt
<trevman74> what ethics?
<Ninot> now I dont know my dirs
<MrWhereItsAt> We need growth to maximize our resource possibilities ASAP, then once this is done we can 
  grow.
<Trip-> okay
<Ninot> agreed
<Trip-> the turnchat is over
<MrWhereItsAt> Whoops, I mean once it's done we can go gold.
<Ninot> we dont need to pop rush right now
<Trip-> I will post the save file and update the screenshots
<civman2000> ok
<MrWhereItsAt> Thank God.
<Ninot> its over! ill have a report after dinner
<OPD> cheers trip
<trevman74> no, not now
<civman2000> I doubt i have to do anything in my ministry
<Trip-> 'Til lata OPD
<Gepap> BY everyone
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<MrWhereItsAt> 7 turns done?
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<JSeeds> later guys
<trevman74> Goodbye and God bless
<Spiffor> Ah, we can guess a hill next to coastal warrior
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<Spiffor> Bye Jseeds
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<Trip-> 'Til lata everyone
<Trip-> 7 I think
<civman2000> bye
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<MrWhereItsAt> Good.  i think we should aim for about this many per turnchat.  It seems to work OK, and 
  gives us a fair amount to think about.
<Spiffor> I maintain we should maximize commerce in BHQ next 3 turns
<Trip-> yep
<Spiffor> Because having a growth 1 turn before will be completely useless, an only bring unhappiness
<MrWhereItsAt> What are the alternatives to commerce?
<Trip-> I think we need to start on our Archers
<Spiffor> Currently, we can have : 1 food 2 com. 2f 1com. 1f 1c. 1f
<MrWhereItsAt> Resources?
<Spiffor> No resources
<Spiffor> If we do like before, we'll have our warrior just in time to manage unhappiness, and thus we 
  won't lose time
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<Apocalypse^> Heya
<MrWhereItsAt> No archers then.  Go gold
<Spiffor> And we'll get 3  gold rather than 0
<Trip-> you're a little late Apoc :)
<MrWhereItsAt> too late Apoc, we just finished
<Spiffor> Hi Apoc
<Spiffor> You just missed the turnchat :(
<MrWhereItsAt> Hi, by the way.
<Apocalypse^> I know.  I had work to do.
<MrWhereItsAt> Check out the screenies http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53995
<Trip-> I'm going to have new ones up in a bit
<MrWhereItsAt> Not quite fully uptodate, but close.
<Apocalypse^> When you make all your money through commissions, you can't always make your own hours.
<Spiffor> It seems the French are stuck between mountains and jungle, on a tiny band of good land (not as 
  tiny as ours ;) )
<Spiffor> We don't know how far Americans have good land
<MrWhereItsAt> Ah, the working world.  Oned ay...
<MrWhereItsAt> And, erm, the others?
<MrWhereItsAt> Do we see their land?
<Spiffor> The yanks have at least 2 workers. That's a pop point who won't be a settler at least
<Spiffor> MWIA : there are some fertile tiles next to the Yanks, but e don't see what's behind them
<Spiffor> We don't know about the whereabouts of the Iroqs, I think they're south
<MrWhereItsAt> We just found an isolated warrior or scout then?
<Spiffor> MWIA : exactly
<Spiffor> He'll soon find the Pinks. II don't think he'll move up north to the Yanks though, because Pinks 
  are in the way
<MrWhereItsAt> great - cya at the next one (if my hatred of the time doesn't consume me)
<Spiffor> I thought it's 11:00 by you
<MrWhereItsAt> It's almost 10 am
<MrWhereItsAt> Started at 8am!
<MrWhereItsAt> Bleuch.
<Spiffor> ouch :)
<Spiffor> Hey, it 23:00 here
<MrWhereItsAt> That would have been better for me.
<Trip-> out of memory
<Spiffor> agreed
<Trip-> restarting, brb
<Spiffor> Trip : what's your machine ?
<MrWhereItsAt> Again?  Oh well, cya Trip
<MrWhereItsAt> Bye now.
<Spiffor> Bye
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<Trip-> what about it do you want to know?
<Trip-> I built it
<Spiffor> specs ?
<Trip-> PIII 550 overclocked to 720
<Trip-> 256 MB DDR RAM
<Trip-> ATi Radeon 32MB video card
<Spiffor> Windows version ?
<Trip-> two 30 GB HDD
<Trip-> Windows 98 SE
<Apocalypse^> You know how we were talking about Battleships yesterday...
<Spiffor> out of memeory with good ol' SE ?
<Trip-> LoL
<Trip-> yeah
<Trip-> running 7 applications at once sucks this thing dry :)
<Apocalypse^> I watched that NGE episode again with battleships and the two shown are named.
<Trip-> ahhh
<Trip-> what were they?
<Apocalypse^> The Illinios and the Kentucky, BB 65 and 66.  In real life they were under construction 
  during WWII but were never completed.
<Trip-> booo!
<Trip-> fake history is lame
<Trip-> :P
<Apocalypse^> They were Iowa class.
<Trip-> I wonder why they named a battleship "Montana" and "South Dakota" before Illinois and Kentucky :)
<Trip-> Iowa, South Dakota and Montana = cool :D
<Trip-> boy though
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<Trip-> our position stinks
<Trip-> that jungle is MASSIVE
<Trip-> the French plains, are tiny
<Trip-> and America lies waaaaay to the north
<Trip-> and that jungle is bigger than the territory our 3 countries span by far
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<Apocalypse^> There were also two other battleships that are suppose to be in that fleet, but I could find 
  no names for them.
<Spiffor> Someone just came up with a good name for the mountains : The Pink Mountains !
<Spiffor> I suggest we cll them like that now
<Apocalypse^> There was a missle cruiser named the Kongo, which is also the name of an old WWI era 
  Japanese battleship.
<Trip-> meh
<Trip-> Pink Mountains
<Trip-> sounds odd
<Spiffor> Well, at least eveybody will know where they are :)
<Spiffor> And pink rocks do exist in the world (in France among other places)
<Trip-> that mountain chain is so big though, it deserves something better than "Pink Mountains" O_o
<Spiffor> The landmark naming thread continues to welcome ideas
<Spiffor> Western Divide and Far Reaches are mountains names ?
<Trip-> of course
<Trip-> :P
<Trip-> what do you think the Continental Divide is :P
<Spiffor> I like the western divide
<Spiffor> But I prefer Pink mountains :)
<Spiffor> Because Pink mountains is so simple. Everybody will know where they stand
<Spiffor> And it will be a souvenir of the French
<Trip-> but Western Divide also tells them where it is :)
<Trip-> it's to the west of us
<Spiffor> But once we'll get past them, the name won't fit anymore
<Trip-> and who says I live in the Western Hemisphere
<Trip-> west of what? ;)
<Spiffor> We should write legends about Iroquois, and their unknown living whereabaouts, beyond the Great 
  Rift
<Trip-> Great Rift
<Trip-> that's the name I was trying to come up with!
<Spiffor> I like it too
<Trip-> I was thinking to myself
<Trip-> "what is that good word for mountains"
<Spiffor> I post this as a common idea
<Trip-> I ended up with Rim
<Trip-> LoL
<Spiffor> Should I delete your previos ideas from my summin up post ?
<Trip-> nah
<Trip-> just give my stamp of approval on Great Rift
<Spiffor> ok
<Trip-> I'm going to put Great Rift on the maps from now on :)
<Trip-> then they'll have to accept it
<Trip-> cause I won't change it LOL
<Spiffor> Trip : you'll lose votes
<Spiffor> ugh, I forgot to post the log
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<Spiffor> Trip : what do you think of ministers issuing their orders in blue ? I still think it's the best 
  way
<Trip-> too many colors
<Trip-> makes things confusing
<Trip-> I announce all of my moves in Red, that's enough
<Trip-> IMO
<Trip-> everyone still knows what's going on
<Trip-> all screenshots updated
<Trip-> okay
<Trip-> restarting now finally
<Spiffor> Trip : but I think it's hard to keep track of whispers.
<Spiffor> I'm waiting for you if you reboot
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<Trip-> we went into that other room though
<Trip-> things worked fine then
<Spiffor> you mean Civ3demministers ?
<Spiffor> I'm not fond of this, as we hide things from the people
<Spiffor> OK, I'll post the log now
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